Comments on: Killing in the name of justice http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/killing-in-the-name-of-justice/ Difficult answers to simple questions. Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:05:24 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: wellwateredgarden http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/killing-in-the-name-of-justice/#comment-15 wellwateredgarden Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:56:04 +0000 http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=159#comment-15 Yeah, you're absolutely right about that, and i commend you for your stance on this issue. I guess what I was trying to say is that the ideal is seldom easy and often the complete opposite is unavoidable. Jesus, of course, had to be arrested, flogged and killed, in order to fulfill God ordained prophecy and to become our God ordained and promised Messiah. I wish you well as you strive to emulate Jesus and His teachings. The Lord blesses you and keeps you! Yeah, you’re absolutely right about that, and i commend you for your stance on this issue.

I guess what I was trying to say is that the ideal is seldom easy and often the complete opposite is unavoidable.

Jesus, of course, had to be arrested, flogged and killed, in order to fulfill God ordained prophecy and to become our God ordained and promised Messiah.

I wish you well as you strive to emulate Jesus and His teachings.

The Lord blesses you and keeps you!

]]> By: Edward Freshwater http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/killing-in-the-name-of-justice/#comment-14 Edward Freshwater Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:42:21 +0000 http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=159#comment-14 "The notion that just because a person is against killing he then is ‘better’ than someone else is totally false." But that's not my notion at all. Jesus said not to resist an evil person. He denounced violence, even at the point of his arrest and crucifixion, so I'm going to suggest that returning violence with violence is not the Christian way. Grace and peace, Ed “The notion that just because a person is against killing he then is ‘better’ than someone else is totally false.”

But that’s not my notion at all.

Jesus said not to resist an evil person. He denounced violence, even at the point of his arrest and crucifixion, so I’m going to suggest that returning violence with violence is not the Christian way.

Grace and peace,

Ed

]]> By: wellwateredgarden http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/killing-in-the-name-of-justice/#comment-13 wellwateredgarden Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:38:28 +0000 http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=159#comment-13 Well, I'm only suggesting that self defense and the defense of the defenseless is a moral thing to do. The Bible is full of stories about God killing. The notion that just because a person is against killing he then is 'better' than someone else is totally false. Different maybe, but not better. We are all the same. We all stand condemned before God except for the shed blood of Jesus Christ. This may come as a surprise to you but God is not surprised by our sinning. He knows how we are! He made us. And that is exactly the reason He made a way for us to be saved by way of a system He devised because we could not be good enough to save ourselves. We may have small areas of goodness, like your not wanting to kill anyone no matter what, but by and large we all fall short of good enough. The way I see it, anyway ... Blessings! Well, I’m only suggesting that self defense and the defense of the defenseless is a moral thing to do.

The Bible is full of stories about God killing.

The notion that just because a person is against killing he then is ‘better’ than someone else is totally false.

Different maybe, but not better. We are all the same. We all stand condemned before God except for the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

This may come as a surprise to you but God is not surprised by our sinning. He knows how we are! He made us. And that is exactly the reason He made a way for us to be saved by way of a system He devised because we could not be good enough to save ourselves.

We may have small areas of goodness, like your not wanting to kill anyone no matter what, but by and large we all fall short of good enough.

The way I see it, anyway …

Blessings!

]]> By: Edward Freshwater http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/killing-in-the-name-of-justice/#comment-12 Edward Freshwater Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:15:42 +0000 http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=159#comment-12 What are you suggesting? To kill them? Are you then not the same as they are? Grace and peace, Ed What are you suggesting?

To kill them?

Are you then not the same as they are?

Grace and peace,

Ed

]]> By: wellwateredgarden http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/killing-in-the-name-of-justice/#comment-11 wellwateredgarden Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:23:24 +0000 http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=159#comment-11 Yes, they can take all the stuff. But what if they take out your child, or your wife, because you cannot or will not give them what they want? Then what? Yes, they can take all the stuff.

But what if they take out your child, or your wife, because you cannot or will not give them what they want? Then what?

]]> By: Edward Freshwater http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/killing-in-the-name-of-justice/#comment-10 Edward Freshwater Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:34:02 +0000 http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=159#comment-10 And when you stand before Jesus and he asks if you used the sword? And if you showed mercy? And did you turn the other cheek? And did you love your neighbour? They can take any stuff they want - nothing justifies taking the life of another human being. Grace and peace, Ed And when you stand before Jesus and he asks if you used the sword?

And if you showed mercy?

And did you turn the other cheek?

And did you love your neighbour?

They can take any stuff they want – nothing justifies taking the life of another human being.

Grace and peace,

Ed

]]> By: wellwateredgarden http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/killing-in-the-name-of-justice/#comment-9 wellwateredgarden Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:40:37 +0000 http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=159#comment-9 How about this: You are the subject of a home invasion. Apparently you have something somebody else wants to have and they are willing to take a risk taking it from you. They suspect you are away from your home but you and your wife and children are home and asleep. You wake up and realize that you are being invaded and robbed. You stay in bed and hope they will leave you and your family alone. They don't! They can't find whatever they are looking for and come to your bedroom to seek your assistance. They threaten you but you don't have what they want. You tell them that emphatically, but they don't believe you. In order to jog your memory or otherwise convince you that they are serious about this matter they now threaten you with harming your wife and children. (Now, these kinds of things happen all the time to innocent people by those who find it easier to take what rightfully belongs to someone else, than to earn it themselves!) You have to now decide whether to give in to their demands, somehow, so they will go away, or whether you will oppose them and fight for your family. What do you do? How about this:

You are the subject of a home invasion. Apparently you have something somebody else wants to have and they are willing to take a risk taking it from you. They suspect you are away from your home but you and your wife and children are home and asleep.

You wake up and realize that you are being invaded and robbed. You stay in bed and hope they will leave you and your family alone. They don’t! They can’t find whatever they are looking for and come to your bedroom to seek your assistance.

They threaten you but you don’t have what they want. You tell them that emphatically, but they don’t believe you. In order to jog your memory or otherwise convince you that they are serious about this matter they now threaten you with harming your wife and children.

(Now, these kinds of things happen all the time to innocent people by those who find it easier to take what rightfully belongs to someone else, than to earn it themselves!)

You have to now decide whether to give in to their demands, somehow, so they will go away, or whether you will oppose them and fight for your family.

What do you do?

]]> By: Edward Freshwater http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/killing-in-the-name-of-justice/#comment-8 Edward Freshwater Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:36:58 +0000 http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=159#comment-8 If my daughter gets raped or murdered, then the decision should not be in my hands - I am by definition incapable of rational thought on the matter. This is an emotional argument that incites revenge as acceptable. My position is not total libertarianism, but the refusal to kill another, no matter what they have done. Jail, yes. Fines, yes. Community service, yes. Killing, absolutely not. Grace and peace, Ed If my daughter gets raped or murdered, then the decision should not be in my hands – I am by definition incapable of rational thought on the matter. This is an emotional argument that incites revenge as acceptable.

My position is not total libertarianism, but the refusal to kill another, no matter what they have done. Jail, yes. Fines, yes. Community service, yes. Killing, absolutely not.

Grace and peace,

Ed

]]> By: wellwateredgarden http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/killing-in-the-name-of-justice/#comment-7 wellwateredgarden Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:30:06 +0000 http://mustardseedrevolution.wordpress.com/?p=159#comment-7 Sounds simple enough ... as long as you keep the subject in the theoretical. But then your young daughter gets raped or murdered or killed by a drunk driver. Then what? It was God who introduced the concept of 'an eye for an eye.' Why punish anyone for anything? Why not just allow everyone to do whatever they please? Any further comments? Sounds simple enough … as long as you keep the subject in the theoretical.

But then your young daughter gets raped or murdered or killed by a drunk driver. Then what?

It was God who introduced the concept of ‘an eye for an eye.’

Why punish anyone for anything? Why not just allow everyone to do whatever they please?

Any further comments?

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